Listen to Eric Gilson's intervention during the programme "La bande originale" for the publication of the book by the writer and psychoanalyst P. Grimbert "Les morts ne nous aiment plus".
https://www.franceinter.fr/emissions/la-bande-originale/la-bande-originale-21-mai-2021 (if you only want to listen to Eric Gilson, go to the 45th minute if you only want to listen to his interview)